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I'm actually expecting player to farm a level 3-4 times for S class it
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QUOTE (An @ Jul 12 2010, 01:17 AM) quotecI'm actually expecting player to farm a level 3-4 times for S class items.QuoteEndQuoteEEndBut...why? (-.-) And even if you do want that for some reason I can't fathom, the fact that boss-drops are luck-based means they could end up farming the level 10+ times and still not get the item. Since there's only one boss per level, it's just really annoying to have to hunt for an item so much and not get it.I mean, maybe I'm not the person to ask since I absolutely loathe the idea of grinding for items at all (once I'm done with a level, I should be done, damnit <_<), but I really think that even if you do want this farming system you should make an exception for bosses no matter what. When there are lots of the same type of enemy on a level, luck is usually okay. That's how statistics work: the more trials you get, the closer to the average your result will be. But a single enemy per level dropping an item, which is how bosses are, is just asking for the player to get luck-scre
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will consider raising the drop rate on bosses more, EL. However, they are probly not going to be 100% since it will null the effects of Lady Luck significantly. With one or 2 lady luck your drop rate should be very close to 100% on bosse
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One of the weird things about Tiamat is that you need to already get hit to get the drain orbs - that made me intentionally take one or two of those weaker boss attacks just to keep 4 of them up. On Cancer he decided to go swiping at me way too many times near the end, and I dropped to 2 orbs. Next thing, Zodiac comes up, shoots those star things at me with the stun, couldn't recover anywhere near enough with those orbs and I died. The end.Oh and I think I remember - if you get a lower medal rank on a level, it overwrites the higher one. Made me replay one of the boss-levels with items to speed it back up to gold.Completely unrelated: killed Omega weapon in FF8. Angel wings: meteorain is awes
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I would recommend bringing Chrono Matter or Life Stream and use them whenever you get hit by the Zodiac Curse. Or, bring 4 Golden Apple to toss at him to bring his HP down to 30%.If you went for endurance then you probly got Poison Immunity, which is great. Pearl pendant still helps with other statuses tho, specially Frozen.Will look into the Medal reward and make sure the lower ones won't overlap the better medal in the record.On the side note, was anyone be able to beat Zodiac Memory
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What I've found is that in fact, the best accessories are the cursed pendant and arcane earrings - yes, those that enable drain attacks while disabling natural recovery (and I'm even on endurance build). The reason: natural recovery is OK-ish, but you don't have huge breathers between big enemies, you're in a boss rush for goodness sake. To even recover anywhere as fast as you need to, you need drain, straight and simple.Actually, Tiamat's 'attack carries rider specials' makes it even more fun. A single spread-shot and I'm usually looking at pretty close to full recovery. One energy drain gives 40, so connect three and throw a blossom out. Heck, I'm still purposefully taking 'weaker' hits to keep fragments/orbs up. Just trying to get through all of them without any items (saving 4 lifestreams for now).Pisces: pushover as expected, 10 seconds or so, do as you wish.Taurus: big tank with nothing dangerous - stand between the tentacles and blast his head off.Aquarius: dodge the freezer bolts, stay closer to his (?) head to avoid the beam.Virgo: you freak. Stay at the far edge of the screen to avoid silence-field damage, hate her laser spam that stops me from blasting her full-on.Aries: horrible, (with my orbs gone). Axe swipe and fire-charge are nothing to worry about (I eat axe), the fire bolts are *deadly*.Scorpio: stay on the bottom to avoid sand-storms, just come up when he telegraphs the fire bolts.Cancer: pretty much the same, claw-swipe is the most he can do to you (yep, I eat it), the wind bolts are easily avoided from the back-end.Zodiac: no idea, saw him once and got wiped.And why is Leo not in infinity space? And the fire mino looks more like Taurus (the bull) than that fat lump.Update, with more experience at it. Yes, soul blossom your way through everything, and also yes, even with Tiamat it's better to have cursed pendant/arcane earrings rather than earrings x2. Some attacks are just too dangerous to get touched with, and the base drain is useful (plus it combines with full 4 soul fragments for almost 100% drain = perma max health).I'm getting through to Zodiac about 1 in 2-3 tries, depending on if I'm careless or not. Best shot at him, almost halved him and used 2 lifestreams (third one didn't come in time). So on this particular build, it seems I'm on track with 1 stream's worth 1/4 his health. Might switch one to golden apple for less eff
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Nera/Beelzebub (lvl 20)Golden AppleLife StreamAdrenaline RushRefresherHonestly, Obs, I have had no trouble defeating ANY of the bosses with Nera. Hence why I think Azure Dance needs a nerf, either in attack speed, or the damage formula.In other news, EL:Scorpio drops Dragon Eye, and he seems to do it every single time I replay him (which I have done about 7 times). Now, I may just be lucky, but I think he's dropping a lot more often than 25% of the t
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obs: Yes, I've also said that Power + Arcane Earrings seems more useful than...Empathy in general. Has anyone found an Empathy build that's worth using in place of Power + Arcane Earrings? I can't think off-hand of a beast that benefits enough from Empathy's morale boost to be worth sacrificing the overwhelming damage of Power and the much faster mana-regen of Arcane Earrings. Sisily's damage boost for beasts makes this a bit less true, but Gelyan and Neraine just don't seem to have any use for Empathy.Assuming you're willing to farm your way to Arcane Earrings, that is. I don't even know where Shapely Gems drop; I get less than 1 per playthrough on average. I'm sure dual-wielding Lady Lucks would help (though that completely screws over any non-Agility build, which is terrible), but I can't get 7 4-Leaf-Clovers without ridiculously excessive farming. Wasn't the cost of the Lady Luck x4 instead of x7 bef
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Plus, shouldn't infinity space give a 'special medal' or something? I don't think it's even possible to beat 8 bosses in a row in under the gold li
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All others were off by at least
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Ocurans: Congrats! And yes, the equipment for medal of infinity space should be adjusted.Look like Azure Dance is going to get another n
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efore I actually try it: is there a cap on dodge rate, or can I become invincible at 100+ (Nera, mirage boots x2)? Read: any dodge-piercing atta
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Dodge rate is capped at 80%, however. So, you can't gain invisibility even with Agility Nera and Mirage bo
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It's a good thing that the most ridiculously powerful build in the game (see Chamomile's beast thread) doesn't require any high-level items, because farming each level a MINIMUM of three-to-four times to get a single item is just about the worst thing ever. I've lost all will to beta-test anything past B-class items (which I can afford without farming) unless An implements a cheat mechanism of sorts for the beta-testers. So, for you other testers, please check out A- and S-class item balance for me, kthx.Meanwhile, I don't think Azure Dance is broken at all, really. As I said, it's just that the hitbox's vertical reach allows kinda easy dodging sometimes. Shrinking it by just 3-5 pixels in each direction would more than suffice to balance
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Cursed pendant/arcane earrings: beats out the actual S-class items because regen is just too slow.Divine rosary: sort of hard to use since judgement only goes half the screen, still an upgrade from crystal armguard, but *cough*gaiavest*cough*.Deep blue: underpowered? The freeze rate is kind of low, and that's me shooting with Nera even.Lady luck: I'll get around to it, never used it.Grim reaper: pretty useful, eclipsed soon by arcane earrings though. (you're better off spamming beast specials). Immu poison is nice.Gaia vest: 2 on Gely (and somehow Tiamat) makes for some powerful stuff. Even then I went with drains.Mirage boots: first time I tried, couldn't get used to doubled movement speed lol. Nera wants these bad.Dragon heart: unless you double, go with arcane earrings. Well, let's see when I try Sisi.Power overwhelming: looks... bland? You might get immu disable from it, but why not pearl pendant instead?To be a mindless drone: natural regen needs to be powered up way m
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quoteo(post=3538:date=Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM:name=obscurans)QUOTE (obscurans @ Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM) quotecDeep blue: underpowered? The freeze rate is kind of low, and that's me shooting with Nera even.QuoteEndQuoteEEndIt basically makes her freeze attack freeze enemies much more often if you have sufficient Agility, since that attack is so fricking fast. Its effectiveness isn't going to be that awesome with Azure Dance because that's a fairly slow attack. When you do your Sisily run, how about trying it with an Endurance + Empathy Sisily wielding a Cursed Pendant while riding Tiamat? I bet the results will be amusing. High Endurance from Tiamat and base stats, plus freeze and HP-leech effects on Tiamat's attack (which should fire often with Sisily's Morale), should create a pretty powerful defensive build. If you wanna be really insane, Agility + Empathy allows her own attack rate to be high as well, so you could probably keep enemies frozen quite effectively. But since Tiamat buffs Endurance instead of Agility that might not be a great defensive build; maybe swap the Cursed Pendant for a Grim Reaper.Still probably doesn't work half as well as Naga at keeping people frozen singlehandedly with Arcane Earrings, though.quoteo(post=3538:date=Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM:name=obscurans)QUOTE (obscurans @ Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM) quotecGrim reaper: pretty useful, eclipsed soon by arcane earrings though. (you're better off spamming beast specials). Immu poison is nice.QuoteEndQuoteEEndI think people who use Agility so their character can dodge attacks rather than for the movement boost to evade attacks manually would be happy with the poison immunity, since it takes more than two successful non-poisoned hits to kill even an Agility-focused character but a single poison hit can wreck your entire health bar. Besides, there's no reason to consider them mutually exclusive with Arcane Earrings.quoteo(post=3538:date=Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM:name=obscurans)QUOTE (obscurans @ Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM) quotecMirage boots: first time I tried, couldn't get used to doubled movement speed lol. Nera wants these bad.QuoteEndQuoteEEndNot really. Her dodge is crazy enough already. Heavies want 'em bad, as a matter of fact; if you don't put any points into Agility and still get maxed movement, you will be a happy and fairly invincible person.quoteo(post=3538:date=Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM:name=obscurans)QUOTE (obscurans @ Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM) quotecDragon heart: unless you double, go with arcane earrings. Well, let's see when I try Sisi.QuoteEndQuoteEEndI'm thinking Dragon Heart PLUS Arcane Earrings might be another interesting Tiamat build.quoteo(post=3538:date=Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM:name=obscurans)QUOTE (obscurans @ Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM) quotecPower overwhelming: looks... bland? You might get immu disable from it, but why not pearl pendant instead?QuoteEndQuoteEEndPower is squared in damage formulas. Dual-wield Power Overwhelming and everything will die pretty much instantaneously. I think Gelyan could make some nice use of it with Toxic Bolt; his poison damage would probably skyrocket. Most characters would be happy with Power Overwhelming + Grim Reaper at max level.quoteo(post=3538:date=Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM:name=obscurans)QUOTE (obscurans @ Jul 16 2010, 05:54 PM) quotecTo be a mindless drone: natural regen needs to be powered up way more.QuoteEndQuoteEEndI think the formula is linear and probably shouldn't be, this is true. Power's formula is non-linear and therefore will always outpace natural regen through MP and HP le
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ood discussions, EL and Obscuran! I has toned down Cursed Pendant and Arcade earrings in the last version. Let me know how it fee
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Script after beating Taurus: "we lost of the creator"Script after Moonbreak forest: "I also Reciful's", "that crazy man with (some article) umbrella!?"Poison blossom: "flower. Used" (add space) skull: "skull that emitting"Time lock: "that power over"Commanding badge: "Increase 10 morale." (extra space)Safety charm: "taken by 10%." (period)Pearl pendant: "to all statuses."Crystal armguard: "cast freezing nova when "Veteran badge: "Increase "Alchemist stone: bold 'usable' items?, "Increase ."Divine rosary: "cast when " (and mind your periods)Grim reaper: " to poison", un-bold 'Increase'Azure/crimson breeze: " for one level"Wild talisman: "inflict very strong poison all enemies"Fairy dust: "summons for 60 seconds ", "low chance " or 'enemy'Life stream: " immune"I think you might want to pick either "Increase X stat" or "Increase stat by X" and follow through consistently. Periods after every line, or remove them all. Probably bold "damage taken" in all items as well. You'd need to replace all "shinning" with "shining".And I still get a lower medal overwriting a higher one.There's still a visual break in the waves at Harpy Isle (Aquarius fi
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h. Good work on those, Obsuran! I will fix them in next upd
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